Saturday, January 10, 2009
normally ...
don't read sam smith - but this is good stuff about the upcoming trade deadline ...
The Bulls seem better positioned now that it appears they do have a future star in No. 1 overall draft pick Derrick Rose. But having someone like Rose, do you build with him now with some well placed trades and not risk waiting until 2010 and maybe being shut out? Or give up one season with the chance to get a true star like Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire, and suddenly be a serious championship contender with enough decent pieces that will have been cultivated by then? Of course, you could do all the right things and it still may not work. It's why the sports business is easier to second guess than manage.
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And so we get back to the Bulls.
They are in position for three options:
1. Identify a core now, perhaps Derrick Rose, Luol Deng, Thabo Sefolosha and Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah, or some combination, and trade Kirk Hinrich, Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden and maybe their No. 1 draft pick for players. One team you could see entering in a deal with the Bulls would be Charlotte, and maybe you go for the defensive big man in Emeka Okafor and give them the kind of hard playing types Larry Brown would prefer like Hinrich, Nocioni, Sefolosha and maybe Noah. You might take back someone Charlotte doesn't desire like Adam Morrison. Those numbers don't work yet, but you could find something. Though that's just one potential example.
2. Let go Drew Gooden and Ben Gordon after the season, trade Nocioni and Hinrich for expiring deals and make a free agency run this summer for someone among those who could be free agents, including Carlos Boozer, Lamar Odom, Al Harrington, Mehmet Okur, Anderson Varejao, Shawn Marion, Allen Iverson, David Lee, Ron Artest, Rasheed Wallace, Jason Kidd, Michael Redd and Chris Wilcox.
3. Cash it all in while marking time next season and try for the big strike in 2010 with money to go after at least two top players to go along with Rose among LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, Ginobili, McGrady, Steve Nash, Marcus Camby and Ray Allen all potential free agents. Or one to combine with perhaps someone picked up this coming summer, like the Magic hoped would work in a second run at Duncan.
rose won rookie of the month again ...
Rose ranked second among rookies in scoring for the month of December (16.3 ppg), first in assists (6.2 apg) and second in minutes (37.3 mpg). The first-year guard led the Bulls in assists in 12 of their 15 games for the month and tallied double-figure scoring efforts in all but one contest. Rose became just the fifth rookie in Bulls history (joining Kirk Hinrich, Michael Jordan, Reggie Theus and Jay Williams) to record a 20-point, 13-assist game when he accomplished the feat on Dec. 29 at New Jersey.
The Bulls seem better positioned now that it appears they do have a future star in No. 1 overall draft pick Derrick Rose. But having someone like Rose, do you build with him now with some well placed trades and not risk waiting until 2010 and maybe being shut out? Or give up one season with the chance to get a true star like Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh or Amare Stoudemire, and suddenly be a serious championship contender with enough decent pieces that will have been cultivated by then? Of course, you could do all the right things and it still may not work. It's why the sports business is easier to second guess than manage.
...
And so we get back to the Bulls.
They are in position for three options:
1. Identify a core now, perhaps Derrick Rose, Luol Deng, Thabo Sefolosha and Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah, or some combination, and trade Kirk Hinrich, Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden and maybe their No. 1 draft pick for players. One team you could see entering in a deal with the Bulls would be Charlotte, and maybe you go for the defensive big man in Emeka Okafor and give them the kind of hard playing types Larry Brown would prefer like Hinrich, Nocioni, Sefolosha and maybe Noah. You might take back someone Charlotte doesn't desire like Adam Morrison. Those numbers don't work yet, but you could find something. Though that's just one potential example.
2. Let go Drew Gooden and Ben Gordon after the season, trade Nocioni and Hinrich for expiring deals and make a free agency run this summer for someone among those who could be free agents, including Carlos Boozer, Lamar Odom, Al Harrington, Mehmet Okur, Anderson Varejao, Shawn Marion, Allen Iverson, David Lee, Ron Artest, Rasheed Wallace, Jason Kidd, Michael Redd and Chris Wilcox.
3. Cash it all in while marking time next season and try for the big strike in 2010 with money to go after at least two top players to go along with Rose among LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Dwyane Wade, Joe Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, Ginobili, McGrady, Steve Nash, Marcus Camby and Ray Allen all potential free agents. Or one to combine with perhaps someone picked up this coming summer, like the Magic hoped would work in a second run at Duncan.
rose won rookie of the month again ...
Rose ranked second among rookies in scoring for the month of December (16.3 ppg), first in assists (6.2 apg) and second in minutes (37.3 mpg). The first-year guard led the Bulls in assists in 12 of their 15 games for the month and tallied double-figure scoring efforts in all but one contest. Rose became just the fifth rookie in Bulls history (joining Kirk Hinrich, Michael Jordan, Reggie Theus and Jay Williams) to record a 20-point, 13-assist game when he accomplished the feat on Dec. 29 at New Jersey.
rose, non-bull, bull
great pic was on the chicago tribune website today.
thought this was an interesting idea when bill simmons brought it up the other day. did steve nash really deserve two MVPs??
bull managed not to blow it last night ...
They wouldn't be these Bulls if they didn't make things more difficult than necessary.
Thomas then went out and proved his mouth isn't the only thing that's big about him. In another active performance, the 6-9 Thomas delivered 16 points, 10 rebounds, two blocks and two steals.
Don't look now, but Thomas is averaging 11.7 points, seven rebounds, 1.8 steals and 1.8 blocks in his last nine games. Dare it be said that the third-year forward finally is flashing some consistency as an NBA starter?
bull game tonight could be three in a row ...
The Chicago Bulls have spent the last few days beating up on the league's bottom-feeders. They get another chance to do more of the same on Saturday before kicking off a much tougher four-game stretch.
Friday, January 9, 2009
interesting
after an article said the bull should get rid of noah because he is not productive, numbers show noah is the most productive player on the bull ...
Unfortunately for the Bulls (of the players who have played 500 minutes this year) only Aaron Gray is more productive than even an average player. And Gray plays the same position as Noah (and he’s not offering as much as Noah). At every other position, the players getting minutes are below average. In other words, every other player getting significant minutes is “not good” (at least, not so far this season).
To be fair, Ben Gordon, Derrick Rose, Drew Gooden, and Larry Hughes are not far below average (in fact, if you wanted to think of these players as essentially average, you would be fine). Still, none of these players have actually been “good” this year. And Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, and Andres Nocioni have clearly been below average. It’s the play of these players - players who are getting more minutes than Noah - that are primarily responsible for Chicago being a below average team in 2008-09.
the bull haven't traded for brad miller yet b/c they want spencer hawes? why didn't they just draft him?
Trading Miller for Hughes would be an immediate improvement, and would fill that need the Bulls have had for so long -- a halfway decent frontcourt scorer. Coupled with Joakim Noah, Drew Gooden, and Tryus Thomas, Miller could be a great way to for the Bulls to use their leverage and make something happen.
If they're trading with "franchise direction" in mind, though, Hawes is the real gem. At only 20 years old, he would be a franchise building block to set alongside rookie point guard Derrick Rose, the sort of player the Bulls could both rebuild around without having to wait too long to win. (Hawes also has a totally killer Myspace, too, bro.) A quick look at Hawes' per-36 numbers at Basketball Reference reveals a player ready to contribute now, at least in rebounding, with a developing offensive game in tow.
Unfortunately for the Bulls (of the players who have played 500 minutes this year) only Aaron Gray is more productive than even an average player. And Gray plays the same position as Noah (and he’s not offering as much as Noah). At every other position, the players getting minutes are below average. In other words, every other player getting significant minutes is “not good” (at least, not so far this season).
To be fair, Ben Gordon, Derrick Rose, Drew Gooden, and Larry Hughes are not far below average (in fact, if you wanted to think of these players as essentially average, you would be fine). Still, none of these players have actually been “good” this year. And Luol Deng, Tyrus Thomas, and Andres Nocioni have clearly been below average. It’s the play of these players - players who are getting more minutes than Noah - that are primarily responsible for Chicago being a below average team in 2008-09.
the bull haven't traded for brad miller yet b/c they want spencer hawes? why didn't they just draft him?
Trading Miller for Hughes would be an immediate improvement, and would fill that need the Bulls have had for so long -- a halfway decent frontcourt scorer. Coupled with Joakim Noah, Drew Gooden, and Tryus Thomas, Miller could be a great way to for the Bulls to use their leverage and make something happen.
If they're trading with "franchise direction" in mind, though, Hawes is the real gem. At only 20 years old, he would be a franchise building block to set alongside rookie point guard Derrick Rose, the sort of player the Bulls could both rebuild around without having to wait too long to win. (Hawes also has a totally killer Myspace, too, bro.) A quick look at Hawes' per-36 numbers at Basketball Reference reveals a player ready to contribute now, at least in rebounding, with a developing offensive game in tow.
great news
Hughes Given Permission To Shop: The Chicago Bulls have given Larry Hughes and his representation permission to shop the league for a trade.
Larry Hughes has been traded twice during his 11-year career, and that number will grow this season if the Bulls and Hughes get their way.
semi-entertaining, but mostly worthless bull chat ...
There are good moves and bad moves by all GMs. Paxson has made both. What I would like to see is a more definitive plan as to how to get Rose help, but I think that could be coming between now and the Feb. 19 trade deadline. My own take is give Paxson a season or two to build around Rose and try to recover from his 2006 missteps.
Larry Hughes has been traded twice during his 11-year career, and that number will grow this season if the Bulls and Hughes get their way.
semi-entertaining, but mostly worthless bull chat ...
There are good moves and bad moves by all GMs. Paxson has made both. What I would like to see is a more definitive plan as to how to get Rose help, but I think that could be coming between now and the Feb. 19 trade deadline. My own take is give Paxson a season or two to build around Rose and try to recover from his 2006 missteps.
Thursday, January 8, 2009
rose +
nba chat ... with this highlight:
q: OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose? Who would you want on your team?
a:Mayo is a great player; solid defender; good passer; good hoops IQ. But I'd take Rose. Rose's upside is scary. Mayo came into this season far more NBA-ready than Rose, but Derrick is still holding his won. Rose's unlimited upside is downright scary.
and discussion of d-wade to play with d-rose ...
q: Seems like your fellow columnist Pree believes D-Wade will join the Chicago Bulls in 2010. Do you think this could happen? Rose and Wade is flat out scary.
a: It wouldn't say it is likely, but it is a definite possibility. The Bulls will have some cap-room and money to play with in 2010. There are currently 5 Bulls contracts which extend into the 2011 season: Hinrich, Deng, Nocioni (27 million committed to those three), as well as Rose and Noah's rookie's deal. If they extended Ty Thomas, that would also eat into the cap. Obviously Chicago would prefer to move Hinrich at some point between now and then to clear cap-room.
The appeal to Wade would be coming home. As a Chicago kid, it's not unreasonable to assume that playing in Chi-City (alongside Rose) would certainly be appealing. But Wade also seems happy in Miami and will have every team in the league laying out the red carpet.
bull not waiving ruffin or hunter. it's not worth it b/c ruffin would still be owed some coin and hunter has been great for d-rose
plus, hunter enjoys being a mentor ...
Now Hunter is returning that favor, giving back to the game, in Derrick Rose's ear as much as coach Vinny Del Negro—offering pointers, cajoling, supporting.
and i love anything scathing about vdn or the bull organization ...
The Bulls lose six of seven, including one big pukefest to the Timberwolves, and these guys don't have energy?
Man, you'd think they'd have a bunch of energy with all the pregame eating in the locker room going on.
That, too, is such a joke, as is the so-called coach. Players obviously have no respect for Vinny Del Noexperience, Vinny Del Boylan, Vinny Del Doormat -- whatever you want to call him. If they has a Twinkie's worth of respect for the guy, they wouldn't break rules so blatantly.
q: OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose? Who would you want on your team?
a:Mayo is a great player; solid defender; good passer; good hoops IQ. But I'd take Rose. Rose's upside is scary. Mayo came into this season far more NBA-ready than Rose, but Derrick is still holding his won. Rose's unlimited upside is downright scary.
and discussion of d-wade to play with d-rose ...
q: Seems like your fellow columnist Pree believes D-Wade will join the Chicago Bulls in 2010. Do you think this could happen? Rose and Wade is flat out scary.
a: It wouldn't say it is likely, but it is a definite possibility. The Bulls will have some cap-room and money to play with in 2010. There are currently 5 Bulls contracts which extend into the 2011 season: Hinrich, Deng, Nocioni (27 million committed to those three), as well as Rose and Noah's rookie's deal. If they extended Ty Thomas, that would also eat into the cap. Obviously Chicago would prefer to move Hinrich at some point between now and then to clear cap-room.
The appeal to Wade would be coming home. As a Chicago kid, it's not unreasonable to assume that playing in Chi-City (alongside Rose) would certainly be appealing. But Wade also seems happy in Miami and will have every team in the league laying out the red carpet.
bull not waiving ruffin or hunter. it's not worth it b/c ruffin would still be owed some coin and hunter has been great for d-rose
plus, hunter enjoys being a mentor ...
Now Hunter is returning that favor, giving back to the game, in Derrick Rose's ear as much as coach Vinny Del Negro—offering pointers, cajoling, supporting.
and i love anything scathing about vdn or the bull organization ...
The Bulls lose six of seven, including one big pukefest to the Timberwolves, and these guys don't have energy?
Man, you'd think they'd have a bunch of energy with all the pregame eating in the locker room going on.
That, too, is such a joke, as is the so-called coach. Players obviously have no respect for Vinny Del Noexperience, Vinny Del Boylan, Vinny Del Doormat -- whatever you want to call him. If they has a Twinkie's worth of respect for the guy, they wouldn't break rules so blatantly.
Wednesday, January 7, 2009
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