some stuff about the bull and rose was covered
Q:what player do u think the chicago bulls get in the 2010 market
Pree: One thing is for sure about the Bulls in the 2010 free agent market: they're going to be very, very attractive with a more mature Derrick Rose playing the point. You're only going to have Deng, Rose, Nocioni, and Noah under contract (since Hinrich will probably be moved by then). You'll probably have some more smaller contracts from what they get back after they S&T Gordon in the summer. Thomas and Sefolosha are toss-ups as to whether they'll be around.
So, with that setting the table, let's talk about who they will probably target and could sign. First and foremost, it'll depend on what the team does in trades, but we'll assume that there isn't anything that they'll do (although, trading for Kaman makes a ton of sense).
Here's who I'd call if I were the Bulls in '10, in order of the likelihood that I think it'll happen:
- Dwyane Wade: This one seems so obvious to me .. he works out in Chicago with Grover every summer .. born in Chicago, played ball in Oak Lawn .. will fit in nicely next to Rose ..
- Joe Johnson: I think this guy would really thrive as a 20-25 ppg EFFICIENT scorer playing next to Mr. Rose
- Craig Smith: it would be a much smaller signing, but his toughness is something I would like next to some of the finesse already on the roster
- Dirk Nowitzki: I doubt he'd go, but a run they should make
- Chris Bosh: this is the guy that I think is going to end up being more coveted than anyone else when things are said and done, sort of like Brand was this year. He'll fit in well next to Deng and Rose.
Q:Pree, would Chicago trading for Kaman be enough to get them back to a top for team in the east? Also, who would they give up?\
Pree: I don't know if it'll be enough to skyrocket them atop the East, which is better than I gave them credit for, but it'll certainly help. Aaron Gray and Joakim Noah are not a formidable tandem at the 5, but I can't blame everything the Bulls are going through on those two guys. I love Luol Deng and think he can be such a fantastic player - but good God almighty! - 13.1 points per game? .395 from the field? 5.4 boards is alright, but this guy got paid to be their franchise player. He should be better than this.
Sorry to go on that aside, but if they get Kaman, Rose and Gordon keep playing like this, and Deng puts it together .. then YES they'll be a top team in the East. That's asking a lot.
If I'm the Clippers, my starting point in the Kaman discussions would be Joakim Noah - he can learn from Camby and hopefully become a similar player. We'd have to add a big salary player and I would think Gooden could be a part of that conversation, but I doubt the Bulls give him up, which is where Nocioni might get involved in talks - the Clippers could use him as a 3/4 hybrid and a tough guy. The Bulls would have to sweeten the pot somehow if they're getting Kaman - an almost All-Star center - for Nocioni and Noah, but I could see it happening.
Saturday, November 29, 2008
Wednesday, November 26, 2008
rose rose rose
bill simmons summarizes things nicely -
1. Has Derrick Rose exceeded every conceivable expectation?
Yes, yes and yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Unequivocally, 100 percent, yes. As God as my witness, yes. May I get struck down by lightning if I'm lying, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes yes yes. Allow me these three points:
A. His worst-case scenario ceiling? Micheal Ray Richardson without the coke problem. (And if you don't think that's a big deal, remember that a clean Sugar knocked the Fo-Fo-Fo Sixers out of the '84 playoffs by himself.) As for the best-case scenario ... I can't jinx it so I won't go there. Just know that I wouldn't change a single thing about his game other than giving him a reliable jump shot (which should come soon), which doubles as the craziest thing about Rose right now: He's beating guys off the dribble WHO ARE ALREADY PLAYING OFF HIM BY FIVE FEET!!!!!! Do you realize how absurd that is?
B. I always judge players by one question: Would I like playing with him? And I'd love to play with Rose ... too bad I was washed up 10 years ago. But to watch Rose's unselfishness slowly rub off on such a messed-up, immature, overpaid, poorly coached, terribly put-together Bulls team has been one of the most random shockers of this season, right up there with Vince Carter looking like Vintage VC again; Jason Thompson being a great pick; Jason Kidd morphing into a Nash-like defensive liability; Marc Gasol being semi-competent; the poor Hawks fans getting suckered in by one of Flip Murray's infamous November hot streaks; the fact that Alexis Ajinca could ever get drafted in the top 20 of an NBA draft; and Tim Thomas being involved in a trade that was delayed because someone else had a heart problem.
Because of Rose (and to a lesser extent, Vinny Del Negro's ongoing Shooter/"Hoosiers" routine which continues to deliver the goods comedically), the '09 Bulls became one of my go-to DirecTV teams even though I can't stand watching 80 percent of the guys on the team. Remember the days when we were worried that we wouldn't have an adequate starting point guard for the USA Olympic Team? Now we have Paul, Williams AND Rose? Holy schnikes.
With Rose, Chicago is no longer the Unwatcha-bulls.
C. I can't think of another sports example to match this one: Bulls GM John Paxson completely butchering an unbutcherable (I just made up that word) situation in Chicago, heading towards the chopping block, then getting bailed out at the last minute by 1.5-percent odds in the 2008 lottery. This was nothing less than a GM Death Row pardon. Incredibly, they still have one of the five worst roster situations in the league -- Ben Gordon will leave treadmarks fleeing after the season, Andres Nocioni, Luol Deng and Larry Hughes have unwieldy/untradeable contracts, and two high lottery picks (Ty Thomas and Joakim Noah) look like ninth men at best. But none of it matters because of Rose. If I were Paxson, I would hug him every time I saw him. Right now, Derrick Rose is like a $500,000 Maybach parked in the driveway of a $200,000 house in the middle of nowhere. Let's hope we still aren't saying that in three years.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3728007
But Rose isn't about to hand anyone a reason to doubt him, or doubt Englewood, which he has tattooed on his left forearm. At Simeon High School, he won all but 12 of his 132 games. Then he went to Memphis and helped the Tigers to a 38-2 season. (He still winces at the mention of helping Kansas win the NCAA title when he missed one of two free throws with 10.8 seconds left in OT.) When he was drafted by the Bulls, Memphis coach John Calipari warned his rookie counterpart, Vinny del Negro: "Tell that kid he's not going to win 82 games. Because he doesn't know that. He's never had a losing streak."
new rookie rankings ... guess who's #1??
At Golden State on Friday night, Rose turned the ball over on a bad pass with 10:36 remaining in the third quarter. At that point he had hit just one field goal and looked out of sorts while playing cautiously.
Twenty-one seconds later, he blew into the lane and made an "and 1" shot, plus the free throw. Suddenly, you could almost see the light come on as he realized that no one on the Warriors could defend him. On the next possession, he hit a 10-foot jumper in transition and dominated the action from there. He carried the Bulls on offense, making seven straight shots on his way to 25 points and a Bulls win.
It's the same for all young players: Sometimes they allow their confidence to come from their current on-court success rather than their cumulative production. Rose will learn from that experience as he continues to find that few players can control him, even if he starts out cold from the field.
1. Has Derrick Rose exceeded every conceivable expectation?
Yes, yes and yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Unequivocally, 100 percent, yes. As God as my witness, yes. May I get struck down by lightning if I'm lying, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes yes yes. Allow me these three points:
A. His worst-case scenario ceiling? Micheal Ray Richardson without the coke problem. (And if you don't think that's a big deal, remember that a clean Sugar knocked the Fo-Fo-Fo Sixers out of the '84 playoffs by himself.) As for the best-case scenario ... I can't jinx it so I won't go there. Just know that I wouldn't change a single thing about his game other than giving him a reliable jump shot (which should come soon), which doubles as the craziest thing about Rose right now: He's beating guys off the dribble WHO ARE ALREADY PLAYING OFF HIM BY FIVE FEET!!!!!! Do you realize how absurd that is?
B. I always judge players by one question: Would I like playing with him? And I'd love to play with Rose ... too bad I was washed up 10 years ago. But to watch Rose's unselfishness slowly rub off on such a messed-up, immature, overpaid, poorly coached, terribly put-together Bulls team has been one of the most random shockers of this season, right up there with Vince Carter looking like Vintage VC again; Jason Thompson being a great pick; Jason Kidd morphing into a Nash-like defensive liability; Marc Gasol being semi-competent; the poor Hawks fans getting suckered in by one of Flip Murray's infamous November hot streaks; the fact that Alexis Ajinca could ever get drafted in the top 20 of an NBA draft; and Tim Thomas being involved in a trade that was delayed because someone else had a heart problem.
Because of Rose (and to a lesser extent, Vinny Del Negro's ongoing Shooter/"Hoosiers" routine which continues to deliver the goods comedically), the '09 Bulls became one of my go-to DirecTV teams even though I can't stand watching 80 percent of the guys on the team. Remember the days when we were worried that we wouldn't have an adequate starting point guard for the USA Olympic Team? Now we have Paul, Williams AND Rose? Holy schnikes.
With Rose, Chicago is no longer the Unwatcha-bulls.
C. I can't think of another sports example to match this one: Bulls GM John Paxson completely butchering an unbutcherable (I just made up that word) situation in Chicago, heading towards the chopping block, then getting bailed out at the last minute by 1.5-percent odds in the 2008 lottery. This was nothing less than a GM Death Row pardon. Incredibly, they still have one of the five worst roster situations in the league -- Ben Gordon will leave treadmarks fleeing after the season, Andres Nocioni, Luol Deng and Larry Hughes have unwieldy/untradeable contracts, and two high lottery picks (Ty Thomas and Joakim Noah) look like ninth men at best. But none of it matters because of Rose. If I were Paxson, I would hug him every time I saw him. Right now, Derrick Rose is like a $500,000 Maybach parked in the driveway of a $200,000 house in the middle of nowhere. Let's hope we still aren't saying that in three years.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3728007
But Rose isn't about to hand anyone a reason to doubt him, or doubt Englewood, which he has tattooed on his left forearm. At Simeon High School, he won all but 12 of his 132 games. Then he went to Memphis and helped the Tigers to a 38-2 season. (He still winces at the mention of helping Kansas win the NCAA title when he missed one of two free throws with 10.8 seconds left in OT.) When he was drafted by the Bulls, Memphis coach John Calipari warned his rookie counterpart, Vinny del Negro: "Tell that kid he's not going to win 82 games. Because he doesn't know that. He's never had a losing streak."
new rookie rankings ... guess who's #1??
At Golden State on Friday night, Rose turned the ball over on a bad pass with 10:36 remaining in the third quarter. At that point he had hit just one field goal and looked out of sorts while playing cautiously.
Twenty-one seconds later, he blew into the lane and made an "and 1" shot, plus the free throw. Suddenly, you could almost see the light come on as he realized that no one on the Warriors could defend him. On the next possession, he hit a 10-foot jumper in transition and dominated the action from there. He carried the Bulls on offense, making seven straight shots on his way to 25 points and a Bulls win.
It's the same for all young players: Sometimes they allow their confidence to come from their current on-court success rather than their cumulative production. Rose will learn from that experience as he continues to find that few players can control him, even if he starts out cold from the field.
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
need a smile?
this will make you happy, i guarantee it!
mixed bag (positive and negative stuff) about the bull in this chat
Q: Will the Bulls be in the running in 2010? Will wade bosh amare or lebron consider playing alongside D-Rose and co. ?
A: The Bulls will be a radically different team in 2010. Wade and LeBon are going nowhere. Unless there are 2-3 better pieces around Rose, don't expect Amar'e or Bosh to spend much time thinking about Chicago.
mixed bag (positive and negative stuff) about the bull in this chat
Q: Will the Bulls be in the running in 2010? Will wade bosh amare or lebron consider playing alongside D-Rose and co. ?
A: The Bulls will be a radically different team in 2010. Wade and LeBon are going nowhere. Unless there are 2-3 better pieces around Rose, don't expect Amar'e or Bosh to spend much time thinking about Chicago.
rose
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10729
George Karl summed it up best after Sunday's game when he said: "That Rose kid is going to be special."
...
"He's already really good, but he's going to be really awesome because he has something you can't teach and that's that speed," raved Billups. "Him being 6-foot-3 and strong and explosive as he is, he's going to be a special, special player for a lot of years."
chat on hoopsworld
How good will Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, and Beasley be? Is this years draft one of those once in a decade drafts like the '03 '84 '96?
Mike Moreau:
All talented enough to be All-Stars for sure, but all very young in their careers. Lots of potential pitfalls on the way to stardom, and character can derail even the most talented. None are Jordan or Hakeem, nor are they Kobe or Nash. All three could be all-stars for multiple years, and Mayo and The Beezer will put up numbers.
Is Derrick Rose a top ten PG in the league? He is putting the Bulls on his back and winning us games. We finally have a superstar in the making
Mike Moreau:
Yes. How many rookie point guards have ever been the best players on their teams? He is in an elite class, and could move toward the front row in the very near future. But, I think Rose has the best chance to lead a team to a championship and ultimately be a Hall of Famer.
George Karl summed it up best after Sunday's game when he said: "That Rose kid is going to be special."
...
"He's already really good, but he's going to be really awesome because he has something you can't teach and that's that speed," raved Billups. "Him being 6-foot-3 and strong and explosive as he is, he's going to be a special, special player for a lot of years."
chat on hoopsworld
How good will Derrick Rose, OJ Mayo, and Beasley be? Is this years draft one of those once in a decade drafts like the '03 '84 '96?
Mike Moreau:
All talented enough to be All-Stars for sure, but all very young in their careers. Lots of potential pitfalls on the way to stardom, and character can derail even the most talented. None are Jordan or Hakeem, nor are they Kobe or Nash. All three could be all-stars for multiple years, and Mayo and The Beezer will put up numbers.
Is Derrick Rose a top ten PG in the league? He is putting the Bulls on his back and winning us games. We finally have a superstar in the making
Mike Moreau:
Yes. How many rookie point guards have ever been the best players on their teams? He is in an elite class, and could move toward the front row in the very near future. But, I think Rose has the best chance to lead a team to a championship and ultimately be a Hall of Famer.
Sunday, November 23, 2008
rose rose rose (and some 2010)
not sure the article is worth reading - but i'll link to anything that says d-rose = future superstar
Tonight, the Nuggets will welcome rookie Derrick Rose to Pepsi Center for his first trip through Denver. The Bulls have been inconsistent this season and sometimes looked lost in the half-court offensively. That said, Rose is the truth. Fans will enjoy getting a chance to watch him play, and he's a kid I think has future superstar written all over him.
tired of the "class of 2010 ... knicks are now the favorite for bron" stuff. now the knicks are going to get bron / nash / bosh? seriously?? they made 2 trades to free up cap space, but it's still 20 months away. how many other teams can make similar moves between now and then?? (and on a side note, i want the bull to start freeing up space for little mentioned amare that summer)
Tonight, the Nuggets will welcome rookie Derrick Rose to Pepsi Center for his first trip through Denver. The Bulls have been inconsistent this season and sometimes looked lost in the half-court offensively. That said, Rose is the truth. Fans will enjoy getting a chance to watch him play, and he's a kid I think has future superstar written all over him.
tired of the "class of 2010 ... knicks are now the favorite for bron" stuff. now the knicks are going to get bron / nash / bosh? seriously?? they made 2 trades to free up cap space, but it's still 20 months away. how many other teams can make similar moves between now and then?? (and on a side note, i want the bull to start freeing up space for little mentioned amare that summer)
Saturday, November 22, 2008
Thursday, November 20, 2008
sad sad sad
i had to turn the game off in the 3rd quarter - miserable
either vdn is terrible and the offense he is attempting to run is meant to look like 5 confused hs girls playing basketball, or the bull players are dumb. and i think it might be the latter.
bg is proving to be an idiot, and has no friends to tell him "hey man you can shoot, and d-rose can get you open looks if you don't dribble too much and force up bad runners that you have no business attempting." watch how he falls down every time he drives b/c he cannot control his body ("ignore it! it's what a body does!")
plus we have our double-project of joah "5 fouls faster than you can read this sentence" noah and ty "lowest basketball iq on the planet" thomas. then add aaron gray up front. d-rose has to be miserable having to play with (and pass to) these guys.
blogabull made me laugh ...
Aaron Gray. And Larry Hughes. Hughes at SF! Gray at a basketball position! In a regular season NBA game!
related note ... oden's "coming out party" 2 nights ago actually sucked (even tho everyone saw 22 and 10 and assumed he had a great game)
is he serious? Hughes vented his frustrations over playing time to reporters saying something had to change
i missed this from 20secondtimeout after the lakers game (and will post anything positive - meaning about rose - that i can at this point)
Derrick Rose led the Bulls with 25 points and a game-high nine assists. It is obviously very early in the season but Rose has impressed me more than any other rookie so far: he can shoot, pass and rebound, his defense is adequate--particularly for such a young, inexperienced player--and he plays at his own tempo, not allowing other players to force him to slow down or speed up. Rose is very quick, handles the ball well and has already mastered his own variation of the teardrop shot used by penetrating guards as diverse as Mark Jackson and Tony Parker. Point guard is probably the toughest position to play as a rookie, so Rose's performance so far is that much more impressive.
could it be? some non-bull related posts?
bear locker room
hester
either vdn is terrible and the offense he is attempting to run is meant to look like 5 confused hs girls playing basketball, or the bull players are dumb. and i think it might be the latter.
bg is proving to be an idiot, and has no friends to tell him "hey man you can shoot, and d-rose can get you open looks if you don't dribble too much and force up bad runners that you have no business attempting." watch how he falls down every time he drives b/c he cannot control his body ("ignore it! it's what a body does!")
plus we have our double-project of joah "5 fouls faster than you can read this sentence" noah and ty "lowest basketball iq on the planet" thomas. then add aaron gray up front. d-rose has to be miserable having to play with (and pass to) these guys.
blogabull made me laugh ...
Aaron Gray. And Larry Hughes. Hughes at SF! Gray at a basketball position! In a regular season NBA game!
related note ... oden's "coming out party" 2 nights ago actually sucked (even tho everyone saw 22 and 10 and assumed he had a great game)
is he serious? Hughes vented his frustrations over playing time to reporters saying something had to change
i missed this from 20secondtimeout after the lakers game (and will post anything positive - meaning about rose - that i can at this point)
Derrick Rose led the Bulls with 25 points and a game-high nine assists. It is obviously very early in the season but Rose has impressed me more than any other rookie so far: he can shoot, pass and rebound, his defense is adequate--particularly for such a young, inexperienced player--and he plays at his own tempo, not allowing other players to force him to slow down or speed up. Rose is very quick, handles the ball well and has already mastered his own variation of the teardrop shot used by penetrating guards as diverse as Mark Jackson and Tony Parker. Point guard is probably the toughest position to play as a rookie, so Rose's performance so far is that much more impressive.
could it be? some non-bull related posts?
bear locker room
hester
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